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Saturday, October 13, 2012

Pioneer Posts Compatibility Charts Confirming iPhone 5 And iOS 6 Issues


Pioneer Electronics has posted compatibility charts on its website showing which features will and will not work on its car audio systems when using an iPhone 5 or an iPhone running iOS 6. Take a look at the self-explanatory charts below. Seems like Pioneer will have to find a workaround to make the iPhone 5 fully compatible with AppRadio.

From the charts below it can be confirmed that while using the Lightning to USB cable with an AppRadio or AppRadio 2, the iPhone 5 can only be paired via bluetooth to the car stereo. None of the other features work.


When using the Lightning to 30-pin adapter, however, some of the functions work but not all of them. For example with an AppRadio only Pandora will work in addition to bluetooth pairing. With AppRadio 2, iPod Music playback, metadata and track controls supposedly work along with Pandora and bluetooth pairing. None of the iPod video functions or Advanced App Mode will work with either method.


 Information for other Pioneer models can also be obtained from the charts.

When using an iPhone 4 or 4S running iOS 6, all functions work as expected with AppRadio/AppRadio 2.


The final chart gives information about all iPhone (except iPhone 5), iPod Classic, iPod Touch (except latest generation) and iPod Nano (except latest generation) compatibility with the various car audio systems. AppRadios are not mentioned in this chart.


Source: Pioneer Electronics USA (link)

48 comments :

  1. So basically you spend all this money on a head unit that will not work more 2 years with the most popular smart phone on the market. Thanks Pioneer I'll never wast another dime on any of your products.

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    1. The vitriol needs to be directed toward Apple for screwing the aftermarket, not Pioneer. All the aftermarket can do is play catch-up when Apple decides to do what they do. That being said, I would have gone in another direction from my AppRadio2 if I were to do it all over again.

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  2. Just thought I'd drop a note regarding the new 30-pin to Lightning adapter and AppRadio2. Received mine and tried it this morning with the following results:

    - Plugging my iPhone 5 to the cable (with the adapter attached) behaves as normal. The phone starts charging, the prompt comes up to Allow/Ignore the accessory etc.

    - Selecting Allow works, and the AppRadio app is launched, but all you get is a blank screen.

    - All the music functions work normally. In particular, I can see and navigate through my playlists, podcasts, see the meta information and album art for whatever I'm listening to, control the volume, scroll and skip songs etc.

    - Videos don't show up and the icon is grayed out

    All in all, I'm happy with the results - I can finally listen to my music again. From what I understand, Apple is planning to release an adapter (or I'm sure some third-party will) that will integrate a video-out/iPod-out functions (i.e., Videos and the Apps) so this will tide me over until then.

    If you guys want me to test anything else just let me know.

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    1. Are you on the AppRadio or AppRadio 2?

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    2. Picked up my adapter yesterday for App-Radio 2 (SPH-DA100). Brief Summary of results below;

      - Charge works fine
      - Ipod will play and skip, but no track info is shown so specific artists etc cant be selected, its effectively a 'shuffle'
      - Advanced app mode gives a blank screen
      - Audio can be selected on the ipod apps e.g. Radio applications and the sound will play through the speakers. Note this only works for non APp-Radio Apps. If try to run Aupeo or something, this does not work as the advanced app mode presents a blank screen.

      Note: Lighting adapater needs to be connected in a certain orientation, its not bi directional when connecting to ipod.

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    3. Ok, I just wanted to share my experiences with my new Pioneer AVH-P4400BH connected to my iphone 5 with iOS6. I can stream music through bluetooth but can't control music from unit, see meta data etc. Pretty limited except for listening to music and making phone calls which DOES work from the unit through blue tooth. But when I hook up my USB to lightening cable (The one that came with my iphone 5) to the back of the head unit it changes everything! The cable charges my phone, and all ipod controls and meta data are now visible. The Pandora app also works complete with thumbs up and down. So if you don't mind connecting a cable to your iphone every time you get in the car it works pretty well. Navigation of my ipod list and pandora list are fast responsive and work very well so far. All other Apps don't work at all, just a blank screen as others have mentioned. But I'm pretty happy with my setup now. It would be nice to use other Pioneer apps later but not a deal breaker for me.

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    4. Does pandora work. Also maybe u could upload a video of the iPhone 5 working. Thanks

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  3. Yet another reason I don't support Apple! The aftermarket companies get screwed! Just what Apple wants...and as a consumer...we also get screwed in the end. Stick with Android, you'll be much happier.

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  4. does this mean pioneer are not going to address the issue beyond doing charts like this? my deh4600 bt fell over with the ios bluetooth upgrade. i was hoping for a bit more than a compatibility chart

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    1. I would say Pioneer is swamped, thanks to Apple changing everything yet again. Pioneer is pretty good about addressing issues but it will take sometime to catch-up. I would send an email to tech support and see what reply you get.
      With that being said...they might not address any issues due to the fact that the new I-phone and IOS is completely different from it's version.

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  5. I spoke with Pinoeer today and they said that they are currently working on a solution for the the iphone 5 adapaters.

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    1. Did you get any impression from your conversation with Pioneer that they're working on THE solution, or if they're trying to see IF there is a solution?

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    2. I got the Impression that they were working on a solution.. I bought the radio and never installed it, but they had me thinking there WILL be a solution soon.. (at least to get apps running) not sure about the video output

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    3. Thanks, but getting apps to run will inherently require them to get the video output working since no video equals no apps.

      Luckily I'm not eligible for a new phone contract until May. That gives me plenty of time to wait for a solution (if any).

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    4. I'm suffering from other bugs: 1- the radio doesn't identify automatically that the driver has changed. -2 the BT accepts only three users. 3- when connecting to a phone that expects from us to key some numbers you can't do anything . 4-volume of BT is too low.

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  6. This is aggravating. JVC/Kenwood, Alpine and SONY all have working options (except for straight video) working on their head units while Pioneer is putting out PDFs.

    Either they don't want to fix it, forcing us to buy iPhone 5 compatible head units in the coming months, or they are just completely incompetent, or plain don't give a shit.

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    1. JVC/Kenwood, Alpine, and SONY don't have products that do what the AppRadio does. Pioneer has the same working options for audio playback as all of the other brands. I don't see how that gets spun into Pioneer wants us to buy new headunits, or that they don't give a shit.

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  7. Patience Grasshopper. I've emailed back and forth a couple times with tech support and the message is basically the same as we're getting here. They're working on it. It seems pretty clear that Apple did not prepare the aftermarket for these changes or really prepare themselves for that matter given the delay in getting adapters out and clearly explaining what is and isn't passed through the pins on the new Lightning connector. So within a day or 2 of people receiving the 30 pin adapters, Pioneer had the chart out and obviously had done some testing with it. I imagine they didn't get one to test much before anyone else. It was also pretty clear within a day or so of the iPhone 5's release that analog video wasn't going to be available in the connector. Apple has said that they'd be doing another adapter that does produce a video out. I think it's pretty obvious that they have to have some electronics in the adaptor to convert the digital output to analog that the Pioneer radio and other units can use. So we wait, which does suck, but hardly means that it's time to throw in the towel. That's my 2 cents.

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  9. Hi,

    I'm from Australia & have the AVH-P8450BT (American equivalent of the AVH-P8400BH), So is there any firm information about an adaptor being made for Pioneer or Pioneer making there own cable? I've just purchased my Head Unit a month ago & i'm really disappointed about this situation & I know it's not Pioneers fault, it's Apples but F@ck me I hope this gets sorted asap other wise i'm out of pocket nearly $1000 for a unit that doesn't do what I bought it for!

    Josh from Australia

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  10. HAs anyone tried using the lightning to av adapter on the appradio 2?

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    1. Yes, it still sucks. You can do Pandora, and that is about it. Worthless piece of crap now.

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  11. That is the lightning top 30 pin. I have it and I can use the ipod, and pandora. My questions was about the lightning to digital av.

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  12. Why the hell couldn't they use airplay and stream it over wireless?

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  13. Why is everyone blaming apple for this issue? Are they supposed to just sit back and never create a new phone agian becuase there are electronics out there that use the current phone? It should be up to pioneer to create a product that is adaptable and able to be updated when new products become available.

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  14. Apple changed the video format to digital. It needs to be decoded within the reciever. No fix for any recievers until they add decoders within the unit adding 100-200$ to the cost of the unit. Yes Apple screwed us by not releasing information on the video format to aftermarket vendors. It wont be until late spring until we see any units supporting iphone 5. The os6 bluetooth is still real buggy.

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  15. Hi. I have both the Lightning-to-30 pin and the lightning-to-VGA cables now. Hooked them up together (there is a 'pass-thru' lightning port on the VGA cable which allows you to plug in the 30-pin one as well. So, hope that's clear. I have the lightning-to-30pin plugged INTO the lightning-to-VGA and that is then plugged into the iphone5.

    i then took VGA out with a vga-to-composite cable. BUT it would seem to me that the apple cable does not support VGA-composite output. I am assuming it's RGB only - which is no good.

    I also noticed that then I plugged the USB into my f940bt that all it did was charge the iphone - there was no "ipod" or "aha" options on the screen.

    When I unplugged the VGA cable, and just plugged in iphone5-via-30pin to the standard pioneer cable up popped ipod and aha and it played audio as people above have explained.

    So, my conclusion is (and this may not be correct, but it's what I think) is that the lightning-to-VGA cable COULD work - but I need to get an RGB-to-composite converter from somewhere.

    However, I 'think' that the pass-thru lightning port on the VGA cable only support power and does not support the 'usb' functions required for control and data.

    I think we could therefore get video working, but I am not sure we can control things.

    Will do more exploring soon. Thanks.

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  16. I read on ceoutlook.com that isimple will be releasing a video adapter sometime in January for car audio devices. Check out the article.

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    1. http://www.ceoutlook.com/2012/11/01/car-audio-to-finally-get-iphone-5-video-adapter/

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  17. http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD826ZM/A/lightning-digital-av-adapter?fnode=45
    is this thing gona work?

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  18. Hi everyone.

    I have an iPhone 5 with the DA100 and have been able to run the normal things that others have mentioned above (iPod audio and Phone) through the use of the adapter. In an attempt to get the additional App functionality, I have started using my iPad 2 running iOS6. This may seem like an odd approach, but it seems to work well for me thus far. I still use the Bluetooth connectivity of the iPhone 5 for phone calls and the iPad for everything else. The only thing that doesn't seem to work is MotionX and NavCanada, but I think that may be due to a user-error;)

    Anyway, thought I would share how I am dealing with the iPhone 5 issue until a new firmware comes out.

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  19. Does the P8450BT + Iphone5 support the NavGate app for Australia and New Zealand. I dont want to pay $80 for something that wont work.

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  20. What is the "advance app mode" thing?

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  21. I have the AVH-P3400BH and plugging my lightning cable directly into the stereo works fine for pandora, all music functionality (skip, browse the folders on the radio's touch screen, etc)...everything works fine for music.

    I bought the pioneer video cable though and can confirm that while all the standard functions work fine for it, video still does not... but being that they changed the video from analog to digital, I think I am going to give up on trying to "make" it work since technically, it's just not possible.

    I wished I had known this before I spend all that money on the lightning to 30 pin adapter and then the pioneer cable... now I have no use for either one unless I buy a new stereo that supports iphone5's digital video.... so now I wait. Sucks too since I JUST bought this radio a couple months ago.

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    1. Pioneer announced at CES 2013 that they have new cords to support video from the iPhone 5 in conjunction with Apple adaptors so go to www.pioneerelectronics.com & read the statement, they will be available sometime in February, they are also releasing a Firmware update at the sametime so don't stress mate. Pioneer have worked hard to rectify the problem.

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  22. Hi

    Wondered if anyone could help me, I have a pioneer stereo in my car and an iphone 5 with ios 6 on it. Sometimes it connects and plays my music and sometimes I get error-19 when I have the error, I've held down the home and off button on my phone to reset it and reconnected it but I still have the error 19... but then other days it will connect first time! More often it is not working than working so any ideas?
    Thanks
    Clare

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    1. Hi Clare,

      Go to the Pioneer website & look up your model & see if there is a firmware update for your stereo. There were alot of problems with Pioneer stereo's connecting to IOS 6 & Pioneer & have now released Firmware updates to rectify the problem.
      Hope this helps.

      Josh

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  25. Does Pioneer make a gps head unit that allows total hands free phoning with iPhone 5

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